Farewell to Summer
Photo illustration © Virginia McCorkell; photo by Amy Dake
Sarah, Mike & Levi Steinhauer at Itasca State Park.
Happy anniversary! (Scroll down to Miss Hetty's column for the story.)

Updates -

FAMILY UPDATE
by Ben Henderson (a "charter" subscriber!)
Hastings, MN

Hope this finds everyone doing well! Things are going well in this neck of the woods. Keeping busy with work, family reunions, softball games and one growing boy. The latter being the most time consuming! :)

First things first, Mason is now 5-1/2 months old and growing quickly. He is getting the rolling over technique down pat and trying to head for crawling. Definitely a process.

Heather is done working for the bank and looking for other part-time work. It was just getting to be too much, especially working almost every Saturday of the month got to be too much.

I am still working at Kimley-Horn and it is going very well. Definitely challenging, but I wouldn't have it any other way.

Our conventions are starting up next week. We will get to all of Hector convention and the weekend of Hunter convention up in Fargo, North Dakota. Looking forward to it very much!

Not much else going on beside the daily routine of life.

Ben, Heather and Mason


Photos © Ben & Heather Henderson
Mason Taylor Henderson


FAMILY UPDATE
by Eric Anderson (a "charter" subscriber!)
Brooklyn Park, MN

Sorry, yet again, for the lack of updates. There really hasn't been a whole lot going on around here at all, so I wanted to wait to see how some things worked out before I sent an update.

Well, things have worked out in my favor. I'm going to be leaving Lerner, and starting on September 20th, I'll be working once again at Boston Scientific. My boss from when I was a temp over there contacted me with the news that there was a position open that I would be qualified for, and sure enough, I was, so now I get to go back to a place I liked working at for more money and better benefits.

Leona wasn't able to land a full time position at a school, so this year she'll be substituting for three different districts. That won't be so bad, though, because she'll get a lot of good experience in a lot of schools. She's not too worried about finding a job, since there are usually plenty by May or so.

Besides that, we really haven't been up to much. Mainly just sticking around our apartment and trying to not spend money.

Keep up the great work with The Bulletin.

Eric



Jordan is starting dance this week.

FAMILY UPDATE
by Kristi Larson Indermark
Portage, WI

We are back into the swing of things again for the school year. I have all my kids back in the day care and a few extra. I think we are all getting back into our "fall" routines again. Football season is here so Jim spends most of his free time in the basement watching football or planning for his fantasy football team.

Jordan is starting dance this week. She is very excited. Some of her friends from day care are in the same class so that should be fun for her. Tyler is 16 months now and he is busy all the time.

Jim, Kristi, Jordan and Tyler Indermark


Tyler is undecided: Green Bay Packers or Minnesota Vikings?


FAMILY UPDATE
by Bridget Larson
Ashby, MN

Greetings! Things have been quite hectic at the Larson household -- with trying to find a new school for Paige to attend, Doug's never-ending health issues and with me just hanging on for the ride.

Paige is a junior this year and will be attending Underwood High School. She is very nervous about the whole switch and is not too fond of riding the bus, but we are hoping these are the least of her worries this year!

Doug ... he has found out that getting older sure stinks. He has had his yearly check-up and his kidneys and bladder are all looking good (being a paraplegic there are always issues with these two organs). He now has been having trouble with his shoulder and is having tests on that. He is hoping it is not his rotator cuff, as that would mean lying around for about six months with no use of his shoulder. This would be hard, as he uses his arms for everything, but like I told him, no use to worry about it until it happens.

I am doing fine and looking forward to a nice long fall, I hope! The picture is of our newest additions: A little background on how we became new owners to these birds.

Being a dog lover, I told Paige if she made the honor roll for the whole year in the spring we would look at getting a new dog. Doug was not keen on this idea at all and so I said, "Okay we will get birds."

Of course, I was joking because I don't do birds! The joke was on me as Doug came home on Labor Day with two cockatiels. The picture is not the clearest but wanted you all to meet Sonny and Cher.

Bridget


Photo © Bridget Larson
New cockatiels: Sonny & Cher


Day to Day R
With Donna Mae
Ashby, MN


Photo © Donna Johnson
Giraffes observed from monorail at Minnesota Zoo last week.


The Matriarch Speaks W
by Dorothy (Dake) Anderson
Alexandria, MN


Photo illustration © Virginia McCorkell; photo by Dorothy Anderson
Beautiful grasses and flowers in the Hendersons' yard.

Our Wonderful Return To Missouri

As Patty told you, our Labor Day trip was a wonderful success! And Patty and Curt helped it happen!

First of all there was the overnight stay at their home before we started South on Friday morning -- by being there overnight we could make the trip to Missouri in one day's driving. We arrived at Minnetrista fresh and expectant in the late afternoon -- somewhat ahead of Patty coming from work. As I sat in the car waiting for Don to get the garage door open, I decided to get my first photo. The lighting was great and I love the grasses and flowers there in the yard so I snapped one of that.

They still have the portable ramp that Don built for me to get into the house they lived in before moving to the present location, so we went on in. When Patty came home we were already there and busy reading the paper. Their living room served as our bedroom for the nights we stayed there. As the regular bedrooms are upstairs, Patty and Curt assembled a nice bed, all arranged for me to get in and out easily ... handy to have a nice, roomy bathroom just down the hall.

We were up dark and early and ready to go (breakfastless) by 5:30 a.m. As we drove along in the darkness, I thought it might be interesting to get a picture of the traffic lights and the drivers -- from the back seat where Patty and I were riding. As I went to take the picture, using the camera I was carrying in my purse, I noticed it was already turned on. I snapped a flash picture between the drivers and startled them both.


Photo illustration © Virginia McCorkell; photo by Dorothy Anderson
My second picture, a shot in the dark, startled both drivers.
(To see who is driving, scroll down to the last photo on the page.)

I didn't try to take any more photos until after we had our breakfast at McDonald's in Owatonna, Minnesota ... and we saw nothing there worth recording, so we drove on through Iowa, certainly nothing worth recording there...


Photo illustration © Virginia McCorkell; photo by Dorothy Anderson
Don drove through Iowa -- nothing worth recording there...

At about noon we reached Bethany, Missouri, and had a quick meal at Wendy's. Now there were lots of things to see. I got the camera out and had to fuss around with it to finally get a few more pictures ... each one was slower to get taken ... until at last it dawned on me ... the batteries (which had just been charged) were dwindling away. So that was the end of picture taking for me. Apparently, after the picture I took of Patty's front yard I had left the switch on ... or it rubbed on as I put it in my purse. So that is the story of my photographic recording of our trip.

One event that Patty didn't mention (and which I, of course, have no pictures of) was the Sunday evening reception held for us at the Clever convention grounds after an evening meeting. A few of the ladies who are about the age of our kids hosted it. They had brownies, cookies, and other goodies with iced tea or coffee. And such a completely wonderful event it was ... more handshakes, hugs, and kisses were received and given than you can even imagine. What a beautiful experience!

All of the rest of our trip -- the drive home, the overnight at the Hendersons', the breakfast with Marlene, Kim, Whitney and Mark, and then the drive to Alexandria, went with ease ... and now all that is left are some beautiful memories, and these pictures!


Who Is This?

Let's Play a Guessing Game: Whenever it is handy to do so, we will run a picture of someone of the subscribers or staff members of our e-magazine. Tell us who you think it is -- we will let you know who was the first to guess it right -- and the correct guess -- in the following week's Bulletin.

(Send us some to run; we will line them up in our staging area to take their turn. Thanks to Ginny Dake McCorkell for sending last week's mystery pictures.)


How many can you identify?

Answers to last week's mystery pictures (click here to review them):

Well, if I'm wrong I'll be embarrassed, but I believe that is my Great Grandfather Alonzo Mellon. Having seen how your devious mind links these pictures together, I'll guess (although I have no memory of her) that the woman is Amy Mellon.

Dan Mellon
Alta Loma, CA

Editor's Note: You do not have to be embarrassed. You made a very good guess -- of course my mother was Amy Mellon Dake at the time the picture was taken.


The GUESS picture is Amy [Dake], of course, but the other one remains a mystery. I am sure I'll be surprised when I learn who it is. Maybe the baby is Dorothy?

Betty Droel
MoundsView, MN


The pictures I had better know! That is our good looking Grandpa [Alonzo, "A.S."] Mellon and he is holding Carol Dake [Printz]. And of course our mother [Amy Mellon Dake] but where in the world was the picture taken? Doesn't look like any of our old farm buildings. I look at Grandpa's picture and it reminds me of Murray Mellon that I met in Canada. He was Grandpa's cousin and looked to me so much like Grandpa.

Gert Dake Pettit
Howard Lake, MN

Editor's Note: Thank you for the correct answer and to answer the question about our mom's picture, scroll down and read Ginny's Letter to the Editors -- she tells the story of the picture that I surely wouldn't have remembered. Yes, that is Carol, the first great granddaughter of Grandpa Mellon. Born July 6, 1946, she may be about two on that picture. (The first great grandson was Thomas Mellon, born in 1945.)


I had meant to identify those in the photo last week but forgot until it was too late. So I will get right on this week's photo! On the left is Great Grandpa Mellon holding Carol and, of course, Grandma Dake in the right photo.

Steve Miller
Coral Springs, FL


That is Grandpa Mellon and who he is holding? I don't know! Must be one of the older Dake kids and I would guess maybe Billy or Blanche. The other picture is our MOM Dake! Wonderful that you can share those with us. Thanks,

Tom Miller
Madera, CA


Travelogue t


Photo © Mitzi & Sheldon Swenson
Tyler, Kjirsten & Aunika Swenson by a VERY big tree!

Queen Charlotte Islands Adventure
by Mitzi and Kjirsten Swenson
Dickinson, ND & Houston, TX
Part 3 of 3

We also enjoyed exploring the lovely beach. There were beautiful rocks and a few agates all along the beach so we brought some home and made a little fountain in a pottery bowl. The tide pools were fun to explore, and we were especially thrilled to find one that contained three big starfish. One evening at sunset, Kjirsten and I climbed the hill at the end of the island and it was spectacular; we could see all the way to Alaska's southern islands.

In the evenings we feasted on salmon over the campfire, pie and goodies from a local bakery, and a spectacular restaurant meal of halibut. On our last day we drove down a narrow logging road to an area like a rainforest and hiked to a grove of huge trees. There were more things to do but we had to catch the ferry after five nights on the island. If we were Canadian, we'd be tempted to move! Many people on the island told us tales of coming for a holiday and never leaving, or going home to quit their job, sell their house and return. We hope to be back some day, too.


Photos © Mitzi & Sheldon Swenson
Aunika watches three starfish in tide pool; Kjirsten stuffs on Dungeness crab.

Click here for an interesting web site about the Queen Charlotte Islands.


This and That
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by Elaine Wold
Wahpeton, ND

Nonsense Thrives in Wahpeton

It all began several years ago when I hung some little birdhouses on my boulevard tree. I fastened a sign: "Apartments for Rent." Later I added a parrot, an owl, and then someone added a bear cub and a monkey to the tree. School children and others walking by enjoyed the nonsense, too.

One day I noticed a pair of eyes, a nose and a mouth depicting a man's face had mysteriously been added on the tree trunk. Later, a necktie and a visored cap appeared around the face.

Since my neighbor Cindy likes snowmen, I have sneaked a few little ones into her flower baskets this summer.

Payback came to me when I found a number of small red Christmas balls fastened to my tomato vines!

We have had many good laughs about the surprise nonsense, which has been fun for both of us.


Elaine & her nonsense tree friend.


o In Service To Our Nation j
Gert Dake Pettit is compiling information on family members and friends of the Dake family who served in the armed forces during and after World War II.


Edwin Evenson

E-4 Edwin Evenson, U.S. Air Force

Year enlisted: 12/12/67

Branch of Service: U.S. Air Force

Basic Training: at San Antonio, TX

I was trained in Heavy Equipment. I spent 3-1/2 years in Minot, North Dakota

I got my discharge December 10, 1971 -- just a few days early for Christmas. I remember it was early out. At the time of discharge I was an E-4 (Buck Sgt.)

Interesting to note -- at the time of my Air Force mug shot I was a "lean, mean" 185 pounder.


archive photo, Bulletin 153, May 22, 2005
Ed Evenson and his wife, Peggy McNeill, with Peggy's mother, Gert Dake Pettit, at Roddy McNeill's wedding last year.


archive photo, Bulletin 157, June 19, 2005
Girl Scouts Caity Chap & Jeanette Evavold, in front, with Johnny Swenson, Ed Evenson, David Ford, Richard Walton & Al Boe from the American Legion, Ashby Post, at Flag Day ceremony, June 14, 2005.


Celebrations & Observances
From the Files of
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Hetty Hooper

This Week's Special Days
September 22---First Day of Autumn

This Week's Birthdays
September 19---Nathanial Kurtis Seaman
September 21---Jessica Aydelotte
Happy Birthday!

This Week's Anniversaries
September 18---Jay and Sandy Miller Smith (7 years)
Congratulations!

More September Birthdays
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September 2---Patty Anderson
September 2---Brianna Jordet
September 2---Vicki Anderson
September 2---Stanley Wm. Dake

September 3---Jacob Mendoza Dake
September 3---Eric Printz
September 3---Charles Quick
September 4---Wiley Nelson
September 5---Lori Chap Ostendorf
September 5---Genelle Mogck
September 7---Brendan Aydelotte (7 years)
September 12---Lindsay Dawn Hellevang
September 14---Lou Miller
September 15---Carolyn Miller Dake
September 15---Shari Miller Larson

September 24---Wyatt Johnson
September 25---Keith Mason
September 28---Donald L. Anderson
September 30---Sheldon Swenson

More September Anniversaries
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September 2---Michael and Sarah Dake Steinhauer (4 years)
September 4---Ernie and Carolyn Miller Dake (35 years)
September 7---Tim and Colette Huseby (10 years)

September Special Days
September 4---Labor Day
September 22---First Day of Autumn

Miss Hetty's Mailbox:

Dear Miss Hetty,

Thanks for the anniversary e-card. Here is a picture from our four-day camping trip in Itasca State Park over Labor Day weekend (which included the date of our fourth anniversary).

We did a lot of bike riding along the paved trails on the shores of Lake Itasca and of course spent some time at the Mississippi headwaters. We also went canoeing a few times and saw lots of wild rice, some sunfish, a few loons, and a bald eagle looking for fish. One day it rained all day so we sat in Douglas Lodge by the fireplace and played games.

Sarah (Dake) Steinhauer
Warroad, MN


Thanks for the birthday card. My mom finally got the pictures in albums, so you can see all six albums. They are the first six albums at

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/teddybearkitchen/my_photos

It all started on my brother Todd's birthday back in August. Todd had been promised his last birthday present at the airport as my dad was leaving for a visit to California. He was told it was a piece of paper with all the fun things he was going to do for the next 10 days. All he could think of was the fun things around Anchorage he was wanting to do.

My dad messed up and while trying to refit everything in his suitcase in the living room Todd saw my dad had put his swim trunks in the suitcase. Todd had a fit, because he was planning to go swimming at the water park. My dad told him, "Happy birthday! You're going with me." I was excited for him.

Then my dad told Spencer, "You're going, too." Spencer had known since his birthday but had to keep the secret. I was very excited for them. Then I was told I was going for my birthday, too. My dad's birthday is in August and this trip was his present, too. So for the next two hours we kept asking, "Is it time to go to the airport?"

I had a great time in California. I got to stay with my grandparents and do lots of fun things. I even got to miss the first few days of school. I came home with pneumonia and Spencer came home with the flu. We all got the flu and are feeling better now.

Brendan Aydelotte, age 7
Anchorage, AK


Birthday boys on California trip to visit Jeff's parents: Jeff Aydelotte with sons Brendan, Spencer & Todd, Golden Gate Bridge in background.


It isn't every day your husband comes in with a handful of lovely flowers for you, but yesterday Roy brought these into the house, and smiling said, "Some flowers for you."

He had been weeding in the garden, and the chives had gone to seed so are covered with these pretty flowers. Roy was thinning them out, and decided they were too nice to throw in the compost, so they are gracing our dining room table.

Now, you needed a day brightener, didn't you?

Betty Droel
MoundsView, MN


Photo © Betty Droel
Onion Flowers


Keep Us Posted!

Please drop Miss Hetty a line and tell us who, and what, we've missed. And how about a report (photos welcome) of YOUR special celebration?

'Many Thankse
Everyone!

Miss Hetty


+ LETTERS TO THE EDITORS?
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This is another one of those issues that I just had to respond to!

Marlene ... Please do it again! Doug's writing is outstanding ... and thanks to you he got it done.

Doug, I love the way you tell your stories. You paint such a wonderful picture with words. I can really relate to what you are describing, although from a somewhat different angle.

I have had many dreams and they have all provided a learning experience. The concept that you mentioned about the need to "write what you know" is the same as what I have found to be true in all of the visual work I have done. When you "work with things you know" the end result is much more convincing.

Speaking of writing ... The Bulletin has a Fabulous Feline on board. Thanks for writing, Miss Kitty; you write such delightful tails ... uh, tales!

I am so glad that those Guess pictures came out in the same issue ... what an incredible likeness between Grandma Dake and her father ... I guess that shouldn't be surprising! I worked on both photos but did not see them side by side...

I particularly like that picture of Grandma because of the fond memory that goes with it. She had come to visit us at the Kuhlman Farm ... which rarely happened. If I remember right, Donna and maybe Donnie had stayed overnight with us. Dorothy and the three younger kids came to pick them up and Grandma came with them. I have a number of pictures that I took that day.

I think Dorothy said she took the other Guess Picture ... maybe she has something to share with us regarding the circumstances in that photo?

I just love those Foto-funnies. Keep them coming!

So many, many things come in The Bulletin that are worthy of mention ... I can't wait til next week!

Ginny (Dake) McCorkell
Blaine, MN

(PS: Aren't Shalana and Krista just the sweetest!)


The Bulletin is really fun this week with all the young school kids and the Matriarch's trip! Chester's photo is so appealing, and I'm so glad he is not my puppy to train.

We just thoroughly enjoy each and every Bulletin!

Arg and Kathy Anderson
Anchorage, AK


That was a real nice job of cropping on the picture. Your Bulletin is getting to be a real big edition! Looks great and interesting reading...

Bill & Donna Vaughn
Sparta, MO


Glad to see Kurt's military piece. I am sending one from Ed Evenson.

I am glad Doug finally opened up with writing again. Hope he finds time to do it now and then -- when you have a talent why not use it!

Fun to hear about your trip south.

Gert Dake Pettit
Howard Lake, MN


Douglas -- One career you didn't mention was writing. Great dreamy story. Keep them coming. Yes I do read The Bulletin very diligently. Also very good photo illustration.

Larry McCorkell
Blaine, MN


Yes, we're still here in south Florida! We haven't blown away (Ernesto was a dud :) nor slid into the ocean, although you probably heard about the earthquake 250 miles west of Tampa, of all places!

We will be getting a new e-mail address soon since we are changing carriers. I will keep you informed.

That sure is a bad break for the Twins losing Liriano today. They have been playing so well but their pitching is getting mighty thin after Santana.

Steve Miller
Coral Springs, FL


Last sunday there was a corso flowers [parade] in Zundert. Here are some links and a picture impression of that event.

www.bndestem.nl
www.internetbode.nl - Corsozondag
www.internetbode.nl - Corsomaandag

Have a nice day.

Frans de Been
Oosterhout, The Netherlands

Photo Editor's Note: This is an update on Zundert's fabulous annual flower parade using millions of dahlias that Frans reported on last year in Bulletin 169.


Last Week's Bulletin Review JKL
by Betty Droel
MoundsView, MN

I am so amazed at the creative art that Bitzi produces. The first picture of the puppy left behind while the others started school, is so cute. The angle it was taken from, and the variety of colors all blending ... very impressive, Bitzi. Thank you for being in the mood that day for making that picture for The Bulletin. I know it takes inspiration.

We could hardly wait for the story and pictures of the Missouri road trip. So glad it was a grand success, and sorry you didn't have more pictures of it all. We needed a picture of the chauffeur, and some scenery, but none. We were interested in it all. Just glad you got home with no mishaps. Pretty fine car you had to travel in. We were glad to see just how that Jazzy was transported.

The back to school and starting school articles were very interesting, more so because you were kind enough to include my great nieces' story. They both love school and excel.

It was such a touching picture to see the Great Grandma Lois with the new little baby, Trinidy. The old and the young -- We've seen several pictures of Lois from years back in The Bulletin, but none recently, so that was very special to see her now.

Kurt and Jeni are expecting a little baby girl (?) in January. We were glad to get in on their stories from friendship to courtship to wedding and now to family. That is one thing about The Bulletin, it keeps us up to date with the lives of these subscribers. How I ever was fortunate enough to be on that list is a question! I am very glad to be getting it, and even contributing once in a while. Thank you.

The Alaska State Fair story by Miss Kitty was worth waiting for. We felt so sorry for her to miss out on everything, especially the pork sandwich and the ice cream cone. But at least she wasn't getting all tired out and sunburned.

I clicked on the links in The Bulletin, which gives a lot of information there would not be room for in The Bulletin. I have doubts there could ever be a pumpkin over a thousand pounds. I reluctantly accept the fact when I read it on the sign.

Donna Mae -- you were brave enough to face the traffic and crowds to come to the Mall of America on Labor Day. That was different than Roy and I. We were so glad to just stay home out of it all. That is an age thing, I think, as there was a time I would have loved to be in the thick of it, too. How wonderful to have been able to stay in such luxurious accommodations as the Embassy Suites. You will have a lot of baby sitters for your new day care addition.

Bill and Donna Vaughn ... wonder if he is related to Tim Vaughn in Iowa? It will be so interesting to be seeing an Update from them in The Bulletin now. We need news from Missouri, seeing that is one of your special places, Editor!

Well, Doug ... we need to give you a special thank you for being willing to open your heart and your life to us. Beginning with the outstanding dreamy picture taken in 1973. One doesn't anticipate the other end of life being what is becomes, but it happens day by day ... actually, moment by moment. Thank you, Marlene, for urging Doug to write his story. It tore my heart out to see all the attempts he made at unsuccessful music tries. That is a tough world to crack into, even for the wealthy and talented musicians, but I wonder where you would have been now if your drummer hadn't "left" you. Maybe you are better off -- one can only wonder.

You have a creative ability, Doug, and there are endless possibilities and opportunities as so few are fortunate enough to enjoy music and colors and dreaming and writing to the extent you do. Now if you can just build on that somehow to make that fortune, eh? But, just don't quit your day job. It comes in handy when all else fails. I tried to Google Captain Yak, but no luck. We want you to know how much we appreciated your story, Doug, and sit at that keyboard anytime to give us an update.

The Travelogue gave us some interesting links, also. Thanks for the pictures, which tell a lot of the story. It was truly an adventure ... but to me it looked cold and lonely and exhausting. To each his own, they say.

Great to see the feature of E6 Kurt Larson, U. S. Navy, seeing we have the other news about him in previous pages.

Thanks to Diana for the good news of the tumor study results. We are so glad for you. We must make a time to come and say hello someday! Now that you might be feeling a little better, we will call you soon.

The Foto-funnies are really funny this time, but probably Mom didn't think so at the time of the Cheerio snack.

Another absolutely great Bulletin. It holds our interest from front to back, and how you do it week after week is more than I can even imagine. But, thank you for all you put into it. Much more time and effort than we will ever know. That's also thanks to the ones that faithfully send in their contributions (that's articles and pictures, not donations, ha).

Betty Droel


CHUCKLES


Photo illustration © Douglas Anderson; photos of Curt & Patty by Larry McCorkell
Designated driver: Curt; no pictures of grass skirt. (Battery died.)

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